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Chrisworld · Aug 27, 2010, 12:25 AM // 00:25

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Originally Posted by Gill Halendt

You remind me of my ex-girlfriend.

Always dreaming with her head up in the clouds, she really got upset whenever someone was trying to make her reason out and be realist.

I believe not even half of the thread contributors have listened to the Podcast at all, most of them were, indeed, just "dreaming", riding some emotive wave of enthusiasm. If you listen to the interview carefully, it's mentioned NOWHERE they're even considering such a thing. People are dreaming on a feble hint blown out of proportion.

Nothing wrong with realism. It often saves you from frustration.

Nothing wrong with some rationalized, less simplistic analysis. Comprehension and understanding often save you form delusion. And since this is an highly frustrated and delusional community, there's nothing wrong in pointing this out.

And, anyway. I'm not saying you can't dream, who am I to say that? I'm just saying that that's actually too little to dream on, judging by the Podcast.

Realistic? Well were talking about a game here... anyways.

Lots of things have been "dreamed of" in the technology world and a lot of higher ups (Like Bill Gates) said we'd never need more than 640kb of RAM in our computers. Look what all the "we can't or "we will never do" got us in the world (of realism)?

Stuff being planned, mentioned, said ALWAYS has the chance of happening.

Hows that for realistic thinking?

Gill Halendt · Aug 27, 2010, 12:35 AM // 00:35

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Originally Posted by Karate Jesus

Ok, I think that's enough trolling, Gill. How about we get back on topic?

Which one, the upcoming GW:B changes or 7 heroes? Or the curious gems of wisdom about sadness in life for those who sometime think instead of just dream?

Because it's not clear to me yet. Could you please update the title to reflect the actual argument of the discussion here? This is no longer about GW:B and the upcoming changes anymore. It's a bit misleading, expecially since the actual content of the podcast is hardly being discussed, replaced by user suggestions and ideas about one specific argument that had little coverage during the interview, but obviously is significant for the playerbase.

Anyway, I'm entitled to have an opinion. You and a lot of other players here are excited, I on the other hand was not that impressed and expressed my concerns.

As always, anything differing from the mainstream is dismissed as "trolling". Sorry to have disturbed your peaceful dreaming.

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Originally Posted by Chrisworld

Realistic? Well were talking about a game here... anyways.

Lots of things have been "dreamed of" in the technology world and a lot of higher ups (Like Bill Gates) said we'd never need more than 640kb of RAM in our computers. Look what all the "we can't or "we will never do" got us in the world (of realism)?

We're talking about the interview, actually, with specific content that's being freely interpreted by both parties as neither I nor the other contributors are in John's head and know exactly what he had in mind, what he's actually planning and what he really meant to say. Speaking personally, I think people are reading to much among the lines and overreacting a bit, carried away with enthusiasm. That's great, but it's not me, I tend to be more cautious. Dreaming is fine, I'm just wondering why people are "dreaming" in a thread that supposedly was for discussing upcoming GW:B changes, like the new area in Cantha, new missions, new weapon skins and such. We have a moltitude of threads discussing 7 heroes, without leading this one off topic. It's not about the game itself, 7 heroes are perfectly realistic and doable, and I'm pretty sure this will be the next big thing before GW2 is launched.

Please don't take my comments out of contex, thanks.

Lishy · Aug 27, 2010, 12:56 AM // 00:56

I'm pretty sure that by the time GW2 is released, the WHOLE GAME will be balanced so that a team of heroes can beat all the content. Including DoA, and Underworld. It's just what's realistic, since GW1 will be a ghost town. Although personally, I'd still be playing it.

Aside from heroes though, in future GW:B, I want more costumes.

Lishy · Aug 27, 2010, 01:28 AM // 01:28

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Originally Posted by Gill Halendt

My thoughts exactly. 7 heroes would be pretty much mandatory after the release of the sequel, IMO, so that they can ensure playability of most of the content even to a most likely reduced playerbase

My theory is they will sucker new players in with GW2, and then make them buy GW1 for the HoM bonuses after never playing GW1 before, and having them hooked on GW1 as well, after they find out wonderful of a game it is. Unlike others MMOs like WoW that use subscriptions, ANET would have already had people's money from GW2 even though they play GW1 until they are GWAMM or whatnot.

Not to say GW2 is crappy. Quite the contrary, they will love its predecessor BECAUSE they would like GW2 so much.

Karate Jesus · Aug 27, 2010, 04:26 AM // 04:26

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Originally Posted by Gill Halendt

Because, you know, the misleading topic is bringing "trolls" like me here. I wanted to discuss about GW:B (in specific, I was interested in the canthan adventure), but this thread had taken a different turn. Fine, I had some opinion to share and did it, was labeled as a troll for my objection... So, which is it? Or do you just like to beat about the bush?

I think that talking about 7 heroes is perfectly applicable in this thread, but if you disagree, then make another thread.

To get back on topic, I'm curious about the future of GW:B. I wonder if we'll actually get to see Ebonhawke and the changes in Cantha/Elona before GW2 comes out. Even if GW2 is a year away, I still can't imagine the Live Team getting all of that done.

Scary · Aug 27, 2010, 05:36 AM // 05:36

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Originally Posted by Karate Jesus

Oh, good lord. Really? I just don't have a large enough pity threshold for your posts today....

thought it was just me that didn't really understand his posts anymore.

Sure Gill, it can be a troll about a thread or whatever. But that doesn't
mean other people think totaly otherwise. They grab the chance to spread
their wishes.. and in this case the 7 hero's issue.
It is a big wish of most of us.. and sure we know that it ain't gonna be tommorow.

But maybe... just maybe by these posts.. They might think... o look this
is what they want, let us give it to them

And nothing wrong about dreaming about things you really like..
Even you must have dreams

Also wandering about the new items and new concumables.. I'm always a
fan of those things to :P
It does not always have to come with 7 to make me happy...but it would help

Lishy · Aug 27, 2010, 05:52 AM // 05:52

Two words: Dragon Gauntlets
We need a compatible shield.

Ka Tet · Aug 27, 2010, 07:24 AM // 07:24

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Originally Posted by NerfHerder

Let me clarify this for Gill, IM NOT EXPECTING THIS, I JUST THINK IT WOULD BE SOMETHING FUN AND CONTINUE THE STORY ARC TO GW2.

This made me smile.

Gill Halendt · Aug 27, 2010, 07:37 AM // 07:37

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Originally Posted by NerfHerder

Basically, he calls everyone that likes the idea of 7 heros a bunch of delusional noobs. We know ANet is understaffed, we know changes will take a very looong time, but we also like the idea of 7 heros, and would like to see it soon. Clarification: NO ONE is expecting this to happen, we just support the idea. moving on...

Then I must be the only one getting the idea that a lot of people jumped here, just gave a quick look at the list, noticed that 7 heroes were mentioned and started dreaming without even checking the Podcast.

I must be wrong, then. I apologize.

Let's leave it at that anyway. Back on topic.

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Originally Posted by ZenRgy

Gill enters the thread and voices his view that 7 heroes is unlikely due to the ambiguity of it's mention in the podcast and you call him a troll.

Thanks for sharing my point. I don't think it's "unlikely" anyway. On the contrary, I'm pretty sure it will somehow happen - maybe closer to the realease of the sequel. I just think this Podcast is too vague about this argument and to be taken with a grain of salt - basically, what Regina said. The over-excitement didn't seem to go in this direction to me.

Nevermind. Let's move on now, please.

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Originally Posted by Karate Jesus

To get back on topic, I'm curious about the future of GW:B. I wonder if we'll actually get to see Ebonhawke and the changes in Cantha/Elona before GW2 comes out. Even if GW2 is a year away, I still can't imagine the Live Team getting all of that done.

Ebonhakwe, totally forgot about that. Maybe we'll actually see something as Keiran's story unfolds.

Also, the canthan events are said to take place in a "new area". Wonder if that will be an entirely new area (if so, curious to see where it's located), or a new instance in some place we've already been before.

shoesbags · Aug 27, 2010, 04:11 PM // 16:11

I really hope the 7 hero party comes to fruition. WiK was a headache at times using cannon fodder henchmen. I hope they don't make the same oversight with future GW:B content

X Dr Pepper X · Aug 28, 2010, 01:16 AM // 01:16

Or they could fix HM. 7 Heroes aren't necessary.

WIK should've been a hint to the devs that HM is fundamentally unsound. 7 Heroes is just a band aid slapped on the wound that is power creeped monsters in HM.

BrettM · Aug 28, 2010, 08:02 AM // 08:02

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Originally Posted by X Dr Pepper X

WIK should've been a hint to the devs that HM is fundamentally unsound. 7 Heroes is just a band aid slapped on the wound that is power creeped monsters in HM.

Wait, you're saying HM is too hard? Good luck getting general agreement with that idea.

Ayuhmii Shanbwa · Aug 28, 2010, 10:40 AM // 10:40

for me alot of NM stuff is hard, shouldn't think about HM

full hero team will help people like me, and make others happy too, as they can try out more builds in 1 team

more heroes makes it easier, as you can make your own team, anet should know by now that alot of people like that, as in gw2 you can solo most stuff
so i dont think anything is wrong with having more heroes in teams

i'm getting bored in gw most of the times, as i cant do much on my own, but 7 heroes would make me do dungeons i couldnt do before

i'm not saying it'll come, but it would be a wise step for them, to make much more people happy with gw, and then people can wait for gw2, which makes it easier for them, as maybe half of the people who wait for gw2, wont complain it takes too long, as they have 7 heroes to test in 1 team

also, if they make it, i'd like to see my 7 heroes in the guildhalls, let it just not allow to use em in gvg, like a gvg has a limit of 3, but you still can see your 7 heroes in your GH, would be nice

Iuris · Aug 28, 2010, 11:08 AM // 11:08

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Wait, you're saying HM is too hard? Good luck getting general agreement with that idea.

Only on the fora. I have leg. guardian, cartographer and vanquisher titles, so I can do HM just fine, but it's a tad too difficult for fun. NM White mantle, that's the right difficulty for me - the one where challenge and fun balance out.

Scary · Aug 28, 2010, 05:39 PM // 17:39

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Originally Posted by X Dr Pepper X

Or they could fix HM. 7 Heroes aren't necessary.

WIK should've been a hint to the devs that HM is fundamentally unsound. 7 Heroes is just a band aid slapped on the wound that is power creeped monsters in HM.

No they should not fix HM so you won't need 7 hero's.

It is not just that as you say creeped monsters.. can beat those to with hench
if I must... tough a bit frustrated.
It is the fun of making your own team builds with 7 hero's which on the same
time makes things easyer but never the less Much more fun

Snograt · Aug 28, 2010, 06:46 PM // 18:46

We've been told to discount the possibility of 7 hero teams, and I have to say I'm disappointed. I never expected it to happen, but just for a moment there hope was raised.

Would have been useful even just for the WiK content where we're currently making do with one human, three heroes and two corpses.

7 heroes would be great for players like me who (cards-on-the-table) suck.

Oh, while I'm at it - let's try and keep this discussion civil, shall we? 39 flaming posts deleted in a thread this small is just not acceptable.

Ayuhmii Shanbwa · Aug 28, 2010, 07:09 PM // 19:09

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Originally Posted by Snograt

We've been told to discount the possibility of 7 hero teams, and I have to say I'm disappointed. I never expected it to happen, but just for a moment there hope was raised.

Would have been useful even just for the WiK content where we're currently making do with one human, three heroes and two corpses.

7 heroes would be great for players like me who (cards-on-the-table) suck.

Oh, while I'm at it - let's try and keep this discussion civil, shall we? 39 flaming posts deleted in a thread this small is just not acceptable.

wow, nice post, 1 i really like
- never expected but hope was raised
- WiK is pretty hard with hench
- hench are lil at the bad side
- 7 heroes are good for those who suck at the game, or alot of parts of the game
- and you say you suck (must be sucking at playing the game)

i doubt we're family, but sound very familiar, haha

all we can do now, is hope for Anet to understand, and agree.... and make us happy to wait for gw2 with more fun in the current gw

BlackSephir · Aug 28, 2010, 09:14 PM // 21:14

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Originally Posted by Regina Buenaobra

for example please don't go thinking you'll get 7 Hero parties in the future just because John says he is open to them. Thanks.

Yeah, we don't want really good things to happen to GW1.

Cuilan · Aug 28, 2010, 10:00 PM // 22:00

I'd rather see henchman AI and skillbars improved. Hard mode is pretty easy (too easy) unless in an elite area or similar. People will just merge disco and spiritway anyway.

Ayuhmii Shanbwa · Aug 28, 2010, 10:18 PM // 22:18

i hope regina meant to say: dont count on it (yet)
HM is easy for alot of people, but even more people are bad at HM, i'm even bad at alot of NM, but other than that, i only see people going through HM missions with discord and/or spiritway

i use discord for a long time now, but builds simply dont make it easier for me
short: got accident, body dont work well, am slow and have absences(form of epilepsy) (for those who missed that post of mine)
in other words, i fail alot even in NM, so Hm is a nightmare for me
same with WiK, especially on HM
and i only got replies like: use (buildnames) for heroes , and (buildname) for yourself
thast all the help i got for a while, some time ago, so i left the guild/allies
noone understand what's wrong with me, which is bad to me

anyway, with that said, i cant do much on my own whatever i wanna do
i can do a few vq's which discord alone can do without me, like old ascalon (area, not the whole lands) and discord only, not from yaks, so just 3 heroes, regent valley, pockmark, plains of jarin and sunqua vale, and 1st elona mission on HM

dungeons and most other missions are impossible for me on NM
oh 1 more thing: i cant handle too much pressure, so 1 fail makes me wild from the inside and tired from the outside, all from that 1 accident

this idea of full hero teams WILL help me out, as i could make heros much better than hench in most areas, and i dont even use pvx (build wiki)
and i can try to make my own team, i have some ideas already, which is NOT spiritway, i just try discord + others (no searing flames either) just try in areas and if it dont work, i change em til i got what i want

aaannnnd, i can do dungeons on NM without any help for a change, as i never could complete anything except a few easy things even on NM

so if my dream comes true, i'll enjoy gw once again

, as the ones who helped me most are gone from gw

*hoping*

the ones left in gw who know about me, agree with me